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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 2:06:52 PM
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ReadingSports
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Proverbs 29:7
The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern
Worth repeating since nobody else seems to have noticed it.
Okay, I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but I'm going to act as if this was said by a classic social justice type.
So from a social justice perspective what this verse says is:
The righteous care about talking Caesar into new programs for the poor, but the wicked religious right have no such concern.
And you are absolutely and completely correct. AMEN!!! Bravo.
Seriously, let's have a dispassionate, logical, rational discussion about the latest idea for making government larger, taking more out of my wallet for taxes. eta cedera, ad-nausea. Because there is no Biblical and Devine mandate to do so. If you claim there is then you have done democracy a disservice, abandoned Christian Charity, shortchanged the poor, taken the Lord's name in vain, and sinned against both your political opponents and against Christ.
And spread heresy and false teaching.
And you probably even eat puppies and kittens! 
If you care about the poor then get thee to a soup kitchen, don't outsource your good works to the government...
or ACORN...
Also for the record no one that has a roof over their head, a car, a TV, cable, and the Internet is poor. But sure let's debate logically what the safety net in this country should look like.
And just to be clear, those that oppose 'social justice' do care for the poor. we just don't like your solutions.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 3:28:35 PM
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Wow -- simmer down, all right? That is a whole bucket-load of unwarranted assumptions you've got there -- the largest of while seems to be that the only thing that liberals want to do is throw your tax money at the poor.
Yeah, there is no problem with the criminal justice system where poor people end up saddled with overworked, underpaid and sometimes incompetent defense lawyers when appearing in court.
There is no problem with endemic crime in poor areas where millions of people are stuck struggling to earn an honest living and raise their children in places you would run a mile from in a heartbeat.
There is no problem with the chronic lack of health care and lack of education that would help raise the poor out of poverty and improve this country for everyone, you and I as well as them.
These are all problems that are endemic to the poor in our society, and they are far too large for individual charities and churches to tackle on their own (much as some of them try.) Tackling the problems of the poorest in society benefits everyone -- the crime rate goes down, education standards improve, productivity increases, and yep, the amount of money you have to spend on welfare checks goes down too. America spends a massive amount of money just to keep the largest prison population in the world (by far) under lock and key. If you spent even a fraction of that money -- say half -- on programs (many of them proven to be effective when properly funded) aimed at keeping this people out of jail and productive members of society then everyone wins.
One fine example is to give the chronic homeless a place to live -- their own small apartment, in fact. They're not even required to give up drinking. Sounds like a classic "liberal give away" to the undeserving, right? Well, you'd be wrong. The cities that have tried this save money. What they spend on giving the homeless a nice place to live (relatively speaking) they more than save on the reduced number of pick ups by the policy and emergency room visits. Another government funded program as simple as getting ex-cons to go out and talk to "at risk" teenagers about the dangers of gun violence has seen a remarkable reduction in shooting deaths in places where it has been tried.
There are a lot of extremely hard working people who go into their neighborhoods at great personal risk and sacrifice (I know a couple of them) all on the government's dime. Without them, nobody would be doing it since most churches and charities are not equipped to do such work. And these people certainly don't deserve spittle-laden tirades about how they are stealing money from someone else's pockets.
And if there is anything that was proven during the eight years of the previous president, it was that the only things the large majority of conservatives are serious about when it comes to cutting things is cutting programs they don't like and cutting taxes. When it comes to the things they do like -- defense, the war on drugs, prisons, law and order, energy, then no spending increase is too much. Republicans were crying blue murder just because Obama wanted to cut one hideously over budget and behind schedule military program and divert the funds to things that the troops actually needed (while not cutting a cent from the overall budget).
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 3:39:13 PM
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There is no problem with the chronic lack of health care
Lack of healthcare? Poor people have medicaid; that mean free doctors, free hospitals, free emergency rooms, free testing, and free prescriptions.
And for children and certain adults medicaid even includes dental work (including braces).
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 3:57:08 PM
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I don't think that the writer of that Proverb was speaking of government dealing out its version of "justice" under the threat of imprisonment or at the point of a gun if one did not comply.
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Proverbs 29:7
The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern
Worth repeating since nobody else seems to have noticed it.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 4:10:31 PM
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There is no problem with the chronic lack of health care
Lack of healthcare? Poor people have medicaid; that mean free doctors, free hospitals, free emergency rooms, free testing, and free prescriptions.
And for children and certain adults medicaid even includes dental work (including braces).
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I think you better rethink that. I'm on Medicaid and there's not a hospital that takes it around here. If something serious happens, I'm dead. So no free hospitals or emergency rooms. I'm on disability for schizophrenia, and there is not even a psychiatrist within a 100 miles that takes Medicaid. I have to go to the clinic. And my prescriptions cost money too. They were free for a few months, then they started charging.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 5:28:17 PM
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I've been a diehard Republican since Reagan's first run for President and I'm a lifelong Baptist, but I don't need Beck's advice on matters of faith or the direction that true body of Christ, the Church, should take.
Didn't it take a donkey to convince Baalam he was headed for disaster..?  Sometimes God uses the most unusual source(s) to wake up His people/church...perhaps Beck is the donkey relating a message to the true Christians in this country...It's certainly worth thinking about.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 5:29:33 PM
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Proverbs 29:7
The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern
Worth repeating since nobody else seems to have noticed it.
I haven't seen anyone deny Scriptural commands to care for the poor. Most conservatives I know are deeply involved either financially or actually in what other's might call "social justice" but what they'd call simple charity or love.
The problem is the definition of "social justice". What several others have mentioned as their experience with "social justice" is what I have too. It's not about the Gospel, or even a Scriptural command to care for the poor. It's political, and is a word much favored by lovers of Castro, Che, the Zapatistas, and various other revolutionary movements, as well as people who have a severe distaste for America while still happy to take advantage of the benefits of living here.  Its a word that most often goes on with radically liberal theology (or liberation theology, depending on who's talking about it).
I haven't really watched much of Glenn Beck. But because "social justice" so often travels with it's radical political and theological siblings, I'd probably have plenty of other reasons to be out of a church where that's the forefront. But if a church used the phrase in a Scripturally appropriate way, and had their theology right, then I'd have no reason to leave.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 5:53:32 PM
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exactly 3capp. life limb or eyesite they are bound to see you. you may get sued later on for the cost but they can not turn you away. to do so closes doors and license lost
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 6:45:50 PM
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What irked me is that everyone just assumed that "justice for the poor" meant "liberal social justice" and proceeded to bash big government spending. It would be nice, for once, not to see a knee jerk reaction every time someone mentions doing something for the poor that taxpayer's money. If charities and churches were fulfilling the needs of these people, there wouldn't be any need for anyone else to spend a dime on them. It's simply unrealistic for government not to be involved -- not least because there is a majority of people in this country who believe that they should be involved.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 7:15:46 PM
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But if a church used the phrase in a Scripturally appropriate way, and had their theology right, then I'd have no reason to leave.
Good point. I think Beck is talking more about political leanings then he is about correct theology.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 7:34:33 PM
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I think you better rethink that. I'm on Medicaid and there's not a hospital that takes it around here. If something serious happens, I'm dead. So no free hospitals or emergency rooms. I'm on disability for schizophrenia, and there is not even a psychiatrist within a 100 miles that takes Medicaid. I have to go to the clinic. And my prescriptions cost money too. They were free for a few months, then they started charging.
Then you best be checking that out, or else move somewhere else.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 7:43:21 PM
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rc that isnt how it works.
the ‘reverse dumping’ section of EMTALA states that ‘a participating hospital that has specialized capabilities or facilities … shall not refuse to accept an appropriate transfer of an individual who requires such specialized capabilities of facilities if the hospital has the capacity to treat the individual.’”
from Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act – or EMTALA
see case like http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthcare/Penn_hospital_sued_for_allegedly_turning_away_uninsured_patient_.html where above quotes came from
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/09emergency.html
http://www.emtala.com/ states In the case of a hospital that has a hospital emergency department, if any individual (whether or not eligible for benefits under this subchapter) comes to the emergency department and a request is made on the individual’s behalf for examination or treatment for a medical condition, the hospital must provide for an appropriate medical screening examination within the capability of the hospital’s emergency department, including ancillary services routinely available to the emergency department, to determine whether or not an emergency medical condition.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 7:45:16 PM
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everythingat, i am unsure who told you that but they are wrong. unless of course the USA has a whole dept that is totally fake
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 9:12:05 PM
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"...I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"
So if I got this right....it's okay for a church to help individuals who are poor...but if a church speaks out against a government or a corporation that expoits and abuses the poor...we should leave that church?
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 9:13:18 PM
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The problem is the definition of "social justice". What several others have mentioned as their experience with "social justice" is what I have too. It's not about the Gospel, or even a Scriptural command to care for the poor. It's political, and is a word much favored by lovers of Castro, Che, the Zapatistas, and various other revolutionary movements, as well as people who have a severe distaste for America while still happy to take advantage of the benefits of living here. Its a word that most often goes on with radically liberal theology (or liberation theology, depending on who's talking about it).
If Christians stood for justice, Communisum would have never taken root in Latin America.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 9:43:34 PM
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Proverbs 29:7
The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern
Worth repeating since nobody else seems to have noticed it.
Isn't it interesting how people in government can raise our taxes but often times don't pay the taxes they impose on us? Even the head of the IRS was caught red handed.....and then Obama appointed him to the position of the head of the IRS. Then Obama had the horrible duty of finding government officials who actually pay their taxes to appoint them to other cabinet positions. It took him a while and a hand full of nontaxpayers discovered before he was able to fill those positions, but he did it!!. Have you ever looked at Joe Biden's charitable donations? If I recall, he gave under $500 in charitable donations last year while the average American gave around 5% of their income to charity. In addition, I once heard that about 9 cents on the dollar that is collected for welfare actaully goes to welfare. The rest is government overhead.
So who is more wicked I wonder? Is it our public serpants or the average Joe?
I find it very telling that God did not set up socialized welfare in the nation of Israel. In fact, in 1 Samuel God warns the people of advocating for a king. Of course, even after God tells them that such kings will only seek to empower and enrich themselves, they persist and he gives them what they want. All God made provisions for were judges to settle disputes among the people and let God reign over the hearts of men as to what their moral behavoir should resemble.
You are correct, however, that giving to the poor is "good", at least according to the Bible. Would you also agree that heterosexuality is also "good" compared to homosexuality and that bearing your children is "good" compared to killing them in the womb? I can't tell you how many liberals have said to my face that you can't legislate morality when talking about abortion and gay marriage but you certainly can when it comes to entitlement programs. So if you want the statists to come in and dictate morality regarding charity, then why not abortion and gay marriage?
And lastly, the entitlement programs end up creating an entitlement attitude. People are no longer giving to the poor, rather, they are merely paying a tax. In addition, those recieving the taxes are no longer recieving charity, rather, they are merely recieving what is due them. So what is left? What is left are people being robbed of the gift of giving and people being robbed of the gratitude of receiving. In fact, what they do receive is NEVER enough and what is taken from others in taxes is always too much!!
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 9:49:44 PM
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everythingat, i am unsure who told you that but they are wrong. unless of course the USA has a whole dept that is totally fake
No he's not. (Or she.) I've been through this before. You go to the emergency room, they decide you aren't an emergency and they tell you to see your regular doctor. You say you don't have one, they offer to refer you to one. If there isn't one that takes Medicare/Medicaid, you'll be told to go to a different town. You don't just get treated.
Also, if you have Medicaid/Medicare and a doctor doesn't take it, you aren't allowed to pay cash if you have it, because they're not allowed to take cash from someone who has Medicaid/Medicare. I've seen that happen with my friends dozens of times, particularly with gynecologists and pediatricians.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 9:57:15 PM
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"...I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"
So if I got this right....it's okay for a church to help individuals who are poor...but if a church speaks out against a government or a corporation that expoits and abuses the poor...we should leave that church?
Yes. Churches are not supposed to be political. Remember...separation of Church and State. You guys always remind me when I complain about the Ten Commandments being removed from the courthouse.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/9/2010 10:02:25 PM
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everythingat, i am unsure who told you that but they are wrong. unless of course the USA has a whole dept that is totally fake
No he's not. (Or she.) I've been through this before. You go to the emergency room, they decide you aren't an emergency and they tell you to see your regular doctor. You say you don't have one, they offer to refer you to one. If there isn't one that takes Medicare/Medicaid, you'll be told to go to a different town. You don't just get treated.
Also, if you have Medicaid/Medicare and a doctor doesn't take it, you aren't allowed to pay cash if you have it, because they're not allowed to take cash from someone who has Medicaid/Medicare. I've seen that happen with my friends dozens of times, particularly with gynecologists and pediatricians.
I will admit to everyone that I have heard the dreaded words, "Social justice" flow from the mouth of my pastor. Eeeks!! In fact, our church has an extended outreach in the community with a free health clinic and free legal clinic etc. In fact, I have no problem with these and think as Christians we should pursue these things. In fact, the more Christians that give in such a way deminish the burden on the state. This is, of course, a statists worst nightmare!!! Why? It is because this is CHARITY and VOLUNTARY that does not mandate someone make another do the right thing. No power is given to a middle man to redistribute wealth. Now as far as his politics go, my inclination is that my pastor favors Obamacare even though he detests his stance on abortion. Howevevr, I detest both Obamacare and abortion. So does that mean I should leave my church? I don't think so. In fact, our church advocates home groups and during one of my pastors sermons he mentioned that a few home group sessions had deterioated over arguements over politics and how some Christians can support a political party which advocates abortion etc. What he said, though, was that we are not Democrat or Republican, rather, we are Christians. Although you may argue that one party has more "sin" than the other, both are laden with sins. In fact, when he said that it reminded me of JW's who refuse to even vote so as not to be "tainted" with such sin. All I know is that Christ did not focus on government justice. He did not run for office nor did he try to influence those in power. Instead, he advocated justice in the handling of his own money and tried to change the hearts of men to do the same. This is a far cry from the statists within both parties who try to control and manipulate our actions. In fact, what are the major differences between "W" and Obama? "W" inacted one of the greatest entitlement programs in US history with his drugs for seniors program. In fact, Obama jokes about not knowning how to pay for it.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 8:56:02 AM
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“ When I feed the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."
-Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara, Archbishop of Recife
As for Glen Beck, he's a mormon. Mormonism = heresy. He can take his views on Christianity and what church he thinks I should go to and shove 'em. I would no sooner follow his religious orders than I would follow those of the Dalai Lama or an Imam.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 11:55:08 AM
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everythingat, i am unsure who told you that but they are wrong. unless of course the USA has a whole dept that is totally fake
No he's not. (Or she.) I've been through this before. You go to the emergency room, they decide you aren't an emergency and they tell you to see your regular doctor. You say you don't have one, they offer to refer you to one. If there isn't one that takes Medicare/Medicaid, you'll be told to go to a different town. You don't just get treated.
Also, if you have Medicaid/Medicare and a doctor doesn't take it, you aren't allowed to pay cash if you have it, because they're not allowed to take cash from someone who has Medicaid/Medicare. I've seen that happen with my friends dozens of times, particularly with gynecologists and pediatricians.
He. And that's the truth. When I was first put on Medicaid, I had to call their office to get the names of some doctors who take it. Twice. And both times, not a single doctor on their list took Medicaid. Why? Because the list had not been updated in years. I finally got a book in the mail with an updated list, most of them on there are at least a 30-45 minute drive. They also don't pay for glasses or contacts after the age of 18. And even then, they only paid up to $120. Still not a single psychiatrist on there...most of them said they don't take it because Medicaid doesn't always want to pay after the visits. It reminds me of a Golden Girls episode where Sophia was left in a hospital elevator while lying in bed. Two lawyers were in the elevator with her and were disgusted by the hospital's malpractice. They asked her what insurance she had, and she said, "Medicaid." The lawyers then immediately backed away and got off on the next floor.
rcjames, would you like to pay for me to move? I'm already on disability and Medicaid...don't believe I can afford that.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 12:23:46 PM
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Yeah, there is no problem with the criminal justice system where poor people end up saddled with overworked, underpaid and sometimes incompetent defense lawyers when appearing in court.
There is no problem with endemic crime in poor areas where millions of people are stuck struggling to earn an honest living and raise their children in places you would run a mile from in a heartbeat.
Maybe some of these people should consider not committing crimes to begin with.
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There is no problem with the chronic lack of health care and lack of education that would help raise the poor out of poverty and improve this country for everyone, you and I as well as them.
Maybe some of these people should stay in school and get an education.
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These are all problems that are endemic to the poor in our society, and they are far too large for individual charities and churches to tackle on their own (much as some of them try.) Tackling the problems of the poorest in society benefits everyone -- the crime rate goes down, education standards improve, productivity increases, and yep, the amount of money you have to spend on welfare checks goes down too. America spends a massive amount of money just to keep the largest prison population in the world (by far) under lock and key. If you spent even a fraction of that money -- say half -- on programs (many of them proven to be effective when properly funded) aimed at keeping this people out of jail and productive members of society then everyone wins.
One fine example is to give the chronic homeless a place to live -- their own small apartment, in fact. They're not even required to give up drinking. Sounds like a classic "liberal give away" to the undeserving, right? Well, you'd be wrong. The cities that have tried this save money. What they spend on giving the homeless a nice place to live (relatively speaking) they more than save on the reduced number of pick ups by the policy and emergency room visits. Another government funded program as simple as getting ex-cons to go out and talk to "at risk" teenagers about the dangers of gun violence has seen a remarkable reduction in shooting deaths in places where it has been tried.
And I have seen, for a fact, brand new housing projects built just for poor and welfare families. Within a very few years, they have become crime ridden, uninhabitable slums, infested with rats and other vermin.
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There are a lot of extremely hard working people who go into their neighborhoods at great personal risk and sacrifice (I know a couple of them) all on the government's dime. Without them, nobody would be doing it since most churches and charities are not equipped to do such work. And these people certainly don't deserve spittle-laden tirades about how they are stealing money from someone else's pockets.
And if there is anything that was proven during the eight years of the previous president, it was that the only things the large majority of conservatives are serious about when it comes to cutting things is cutting programs they don't like and cutting taxes. When it comes to the things they do like -- defense, the war on drugs, prisons, law and order, energy, then no spending increase is too much. Republicans were crying blue murder just because Obama wanted to cut one hideously over budget and behind schedule military program and divert the funds to things that the troops actually needed (while not cutting a cent from the overall budget).
Yeah, let's turn this into a "good Democrats" and "bad Republicans" rant. Whatever happened to taking personal responsibility for ones self? Certainly there are many good responsible poor families, who through no fault of their own, happen to down and out. But when a society becomes a cradle to grave welfare state, it removes much of the incentives for the lazy to accomplish anything to improve themselves or their lot in life.
If churches, individuals, and organizations want to voluntarily aid the indigent, great, but it should not be the government to take from others at the point of a gun or threat of imprisonment and give it to those who won't help themselves. And by that I mean those who won't stay in school, won't give up their drug or alcohol habits, or are just too lazy to look for work.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 12:26:37 PM
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rcjames, would you like to pay for me to move? I'm already on disability and Medicaid...don't believe I can afford that.
Olay, you just asked a church leader in OK for help. Have you asked one in your area? Just curious. You seem to believe the only entity that can help you is the government. That's typically where the social justice train of thought/faith/action leads.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 12:30:05 PM
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optometry, behavioral medicine. those are specialties that most basic insurance companies do not pay for. medicaid is basic insurance. they pay part and you pay the rest. those though are not if dont have you will die.
what is meant by life limb or eyesite, life is obvious, limb if you not get treatment a arm or leg will have to be amputated, eyesite? if you have an injury to your eyes that could result in loss of one or both vision partial or total.
my dad had the same issue with medicaid when he first went on it. the office was obsolete and outdated bad in info. not every doctor is required to be a doctor that treats medicaid patients. but you stated earlier that you would just die because no one would see you. I really really beg to differ. if they do refuse and you survive, severe reprimands will come to them or if your family pushes it. LLE is a serious "code" the medical people live by.
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