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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/3/2010 4:47:32 PM
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Eutychus
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I wish I could block specific threads...
"IT" took a strange direction from the get-go today and stayed on it like there is free ice cream at the end of the trail.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/3/2010 8:04:10 PM
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Reba
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IT is easy to stay the corse when the leadership backs ya up.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/3/2010 8:43:40 PM
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I can remember hearing Mom & Dad talking about my brothers. Talking about their education. What it was the conclusion. We don’t need to worry … Rapture will happen…. Well that was 50 + years ago. Us girls, we didn't havea chance, were to get married. 
I hold that kind of thinking/believe responsible for a lot of the political mess we have today. The major collages 200 years ago were Christian. We (Christians) have allowed the erosion. My view … God gave us the land (USA) and just as the Israelites screwed up so have we.
I watched "The late great planet church" this week, a wonderful Documentary concerning the problems with Dispensationalism and the mish-mash that it is, and one of the points discussed is anti-intellectualism as one of it's fruits because of the whole myopic end times madness it induces.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/3/2010 8:51:50 PM
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Reba
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Dave, Scofield was off track . His lies were listen too because he chose to literly put them on pages of our Bible.
A great blessing was my Daddy learning so much REAL Word before he went to heaven....
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/3/2010 9:42:53 PM
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Reform_Dave
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Indeed, one of the things that i learned was that Scofield was not a Doctor by degree, it was a label he just hung on himself because he thought it would lend him gravitas, and his schooling was almost non existent and every thought he had was borrowed almost exclusively from Darby. It sounds like you had a great dad Reba 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/3/2010 11:20:58 PM
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It was my understanding that Scofield became convinced by a series of lectures of the correctness of Darbyism, and that the notes in his "bible" basically came from those lectures.
Perhaps I was misinformed, but the truth is I cannot find anything akin to darbyism and it's 7-era dispensations at all in the church until the 1830s.
There were of course, millenarians around. Zoastorians are millenarians, and so were the early Montanists. The Nicean Creed wording was arranged so as to put chiliasm to rest. It keeps rearing its head. The Augustine Confession, Helvetic Confession, etc., are just some of the major examples of how this is not the majority view of Christianity in all its history.
It also is not expressly taught in the Scriptures but is only found by importing values found by new definitions and applications of verses out of context.
I went the route of The Late Great Planet Earth, even watched the film (remember films?). Is America in Bible Prophecy? yaddah yaddah
I found it was a quick way to alienate legitmate members of the Body of Christ from one another, did not seem to make a godly difference in the lives of its professors/confessors, and overall was too complicated to follow even to the extent that those who taught it differed significantly from each other about things they tout are so evidently taught in Scripture.
Phsaw. (oops, can I say things like that here?)
I found a wonderful book I downloaded into my googlelibrary, and a (free)pdf onto my computer for further reading. It is called Reformed Principles Stated and Applied by the Rev. J. M. Foster ( who was the District Secretary to the National Reform Association of Cincinnati Ohio.)
It was submitted for copyright in 1890.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 12:09:24 AM
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Reba
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I have this neat little book ' Scofield or the Scriptures' by Paul E Sisco
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 12:10:46 AM
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I wish I could block specific threads...
"IT" took a strange direction from the get-go today and stayed on it like there is free ice cream at the end of the trail.
Just paint the glass of your goggles
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 11:40:33 AM
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Reba
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I took the easy way out and removed "IT" from my list. I have a snarky mouth and "IT" just brings out my best. 
I don't care for what I perceive as unfairness.
This place is for smiles, helps, kindness, a lot of good stuff!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 12:12:03 PM
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We share the same background....... Some you know will be kind and go away thinking your nuts. Some will turn their backs. But like you some will hear the Word of God.
So have you ever shared your new knowledge? My parents and sister stopped going to church for years. My mother started going with us when we attended a Baptist church and is still attending there, but my father and sister continue in their disobedience. I think it's because of our past teaching.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 12:57:51 PM
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Reba
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Yes Lady, some accept, some dont, some feel very sorry for me and are so glad my Dad is not around to see THIS. Some i know it would be pearls before swine. I dont doubt salvation for these folks, Gods grace and mercy is well beyond our thinking. They miss an understanding of God and His Word that is so very glorious! We are a family of 3 generation of preachers.
I don’t know how to say what I am thinking so please try and figure it out Dad was in Bible School when I was born Church was our life AofG was our life for years Then Dad saw some stuff in the men around AofG that didn’t set well. Time goes by us girls are getting married the boys are growing up... Dad no longer has to have a, job to support us, along with the church. Now much time is given to study& prayer... We joked he was walking concordance. Bible study when he was around was great! Wow! Not knowing at the time what God was showing him was RT slowly and deliberately God opened Dads heart and mind... Looking back we see the RT teaching.....God had His work cut out for Him UNteaching all that AofG....Dad was a small church pastor they sent him to places young guys had missed up. He started to refuse to sign off on there papers dad did not back down and they needed him so they just left him alone..... He handed down his new found knowledge to anyone who would listen including me. He retired, lost his mind, but never his love of God and His Word.
I have been very blessed.....
I was blessed to have years of AofG Sunday school! Never knew fairy tails Bible stories come out my ears!
In the early days we were taught BIBLE now from reading their stuff they water it down to make His word apply to today,, as if God cant...
Talk to your pastor about shareing and your background.
I have family that retired from the CA headquarters of AofG!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 1:14:05 PM
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So, gotta couple questions. Just for discussion among like-minded folks.
1) I'm looking for a church. Recently left one where the leadership was in mild but unrepentant sin which affected me and my children. So, I resigned my position as music director and we left. Any thoughts? There is only one specifically Reformed church nearby. It is just getting started, and after the last two churches I was forced to leave because of sin in the leadership, I am feeling very gunshy.
2) All the talk of Scofield got me to wondering...what do y'all use for Bible study? I am blessed to have a wonderful Bible study program on my computer...
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 3:30:59 PM
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Eutychus
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If anyone is interested in watching the revival series we had this Sunday - Wednesday at my SBC church by the Life Action Revival Ministries, I've posted links on our site to the six sessions:
LINK
This was a revival in the true sense. It was for renewal of believers instead of the evangelist crusades that misuse the word revival.
We talk about saving grace, but there is a sustaining grace that follows and should produce holiness. That sums a lot of the series' main points.
Note: Ryan Loveing, the revivalist, was born and raised a Jew.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 5:54:59 PM
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Reba
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Shallbe
Not knowing age of your kids i would sheald them from another 'bad' church. Seek out the pastor, and his wife, of the start up RT church you may be able to learn a lot. I would stay away froom any 'position' untill i knew the players.
Bible study.... i have had too many goofy experiences with books used for Bible study... the thought crosses my mind 'isn't the Bible a book' ? Do we use a book to read 'Gone wiht the wind' ? My been burnt thin skin showing its ugly head.
Yet i like my scofield or the scriptures o well as i said goofy
Scofield spent time in jail for fraud having something to do with one of his wifes... my ol brain has holes these days...
The only Holy Bible is the one i use KJB
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 8:58:58 PM
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ShallbeRebuilt
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Thanks for the discussion everyone:
I also have Logos...upgraded to the new L4 version recently. It's ok for a lay person like me. It's probably more than I need, really! I have the Bible Study library, in case anyone wants to know.
As far as churches: I am mightily weary of getting into churches, devoting my time and efforts to them for several years, and then being treated like a door mat either by deliberately manipulative leadership or slap-dash, got-a-cushy-position-here, never growing or learning leadership. My girls are 12 and almost 17. They do not know what it is to go to a church and not worry about who is the enemy.
They need Christian friends. They need Christian social circles. They need to see their mother well-treated by other Christians. Above all, they need good, solid, expositional, exegetical teaching.
I despair of finding such.
Gralan: I don't live far from San Angelo. Sorry to hear about your experience: I do believe I've encountered the name of the church you mentioned before.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 9:06:52 PM
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Reform_Dave
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I use an ESV study bible along with a Macarthur study bible for my nightly study. The bible i take to church is a NKJB. Reba, i liked the testimony concerning your father coming to RT. I took 25 years to come to RT myself, and all Glory to God for that because it took the Holy Spirit to open my eye's, and heart, to it.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 10:03:59 PM
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Reform_Dave
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Arggggh, i see the same old misconceptions and mischaracterization of RT are still part of the discussion in the Calvy/Armin thread. To quote Glenn Beck: " It's enough to make blood shoot from my eyes". 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 11:11:59 PM
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shemaromans
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Hey, Shallbe! I'll try to remember to ask my pastor and some of the elders if they know of solid churches in your area to recommend for you and your family.
On another note, I just got to post a lot of verses in IT. Fun!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 3/4/2010 11:37:16 PM
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gralan
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SamsonUSA,
I lived for two years outside of Bisbee, in a trailer that was situated in an arroyo. Talk about a year of living dangerously, haha, times 2.
Do you know if they still hold the international bicycle races there?
That was back in the day when Allen Ginsberg came into town and read some sadly-worn prose. Now they figured out that having bistros and selling espresso, and having B&B's was a safer way to live and make good money. They had at that time the best cobblestone road I knew of in the US, even compared with San Francisco and Seattle.
My brother is buried out there.
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