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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/2/2010 8:04:38 PM
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gralan
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Hi,
I'm familiar with Calvary Chapel through their church in Albuquerque NM. I've enjoyed most of the things that I've heard teachers of theirs preach (meaning Chapel-wide). However, I've been aghast at some of the things taught during a supposed "expositional" teaching of a Biblical text.
But I've never personally heard anything Skip Heitzig or Greg Laurie taught that wasn't Biblical, inspirational and instructional. There are others however, and I just turned them off the channel. It would appear that Chuck Smith did a good job educating those old hippies and misfits in the way of the Lord. Amen. Some of us had to go through another way.
Were you aware that Calvary Chapel started out as a Baptist Church? That is until the SBC decided they needed to step on Calvary and control it. Typical SBC, in terms of my experience inside of it.
More power to you as you spread the gospel and its' applicable truth in all your life, in all your actions. Looking forward to His coming back... boy howdy are things gonna change.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 12:49:55 PM
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Eutychus
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Were you aware that Calvary Chapel started out as a Baptist Church? That is until the SBC decided they needed to step on Calvary and control it. Typical SBC, in terms of my experience inside of it.
Just curious: How can the SBC control any church in the convention since all churches within the SBC are autonomous? The SBC can make proclamations and recommendations until the cows come home, but cannot enforce any of them. Their sole leverage, as I understand it, is to refuse the annual token donation required to be recognized as a member of the SBC.
Thanks
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 2:56:23 PM
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StephK
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Were you aware that Calvary Chapel started out as a Baptist Church? That is until the SBC decided they needed to step on Calvary and control it. Typical SBC, in terms of my experience inside of it.
That is incorrect. Chuck Smith founded it and he was Foursquare Gospel. My brother is an assistant pastor of a Calvary Chapel in Arizona. He was also an ordained SBC pastor so he is well aware of the similarities and differences as he prayed long and hard about changing "denominations".
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 5:40:24 PM
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gralan
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I apologize, the information I was given was from a former vice president of the New Mexico Southern Baptist Conference. I had presumed he knew of what he spoke.
Thanks for the correction.
So Chuck Smith didn't have problems with the SBC regarding charismatic gifts?
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 6:01:57 PM
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StephK
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Chuck Smith wasn't ever Southern Baptist. He was from the Foursquare Gospel denomination.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 6:16:54 PM
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SamsonUSA
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quote:
I'm familiar with Calvary Chapel through their church in Albuquerque NM. I've enjoyed most of the things that I've heard teachers of theirs preach (meaning Chapel-wide). However, I've been aghast at some of the things taught during a supposed "expositional" teaching of a Biblical text.
Between 1997 - 2006 I traveled the Western US opening and operating fitness centers. I was usually only in any one city from 6 to 9 months at a time. Upon arriving in a new city I would look for the closest Calvary Chapel, figuring since I knew I wasn't going to be staying long enough to lay roots in the church at least I knew I would be fed the word of God at a CC.
I had a similar experience to yours gralan at one of the CC's I had visited. I ended up attending a fine Reformed Baptist church for the remainder of my stay in that particular city.
Overall I have found CC's to be fairly consistent and well grounded in sound biblical teaching.
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That is incorrect. Chuck Smith founded it and he was Foursquare Gospel.
Correct. Though Pastor Chuck came from a Foursquare background Calvary Chapels are non denominational per se, and refer to themselves as "a fellowship of churches."
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My brother is an assistant pastor of a Calvary Chapel in Arizona.
Very cool indeed! I attend and serve in a large Calvary body of believers (15,000 + members) out here in the Phoenix area. I am prayerfully asking the Lord if He wills that I acquire a position on a church staff, so if anyone knows of any CC located in the Western US that is looking for an intern let me know! 
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I go to and work at (pastoral Care) a Calvary Chapel affiliate in San Diego. My pastor/boss was one of Chuck's original staff pastors at Costa Mesa, along with Raul Ries & Greg Laurie.
Wow, a who's who of humble servants of God who serve the Calvary family. Returning home to So Cal would be high on my list of personal choices on where I would love to serve, if not for the high cost of living.
That being said I do know that wherever the Lord may lead me, He will provide!
1 Thess 5:24 "Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass."
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 6:25:56 PM
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gralan
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I guess that is an answer to my question.
Is this a place for informative discussion, or just a place for one-liners and emoting?
Yes, that really is a question. I would appreciate an answer, even one that does not lack in brevity. I'm questioning the basis upon which these forums were established, because I'm seeing a tendency to move discussion in the threads to a place where the world is in their responses to each other especially in electronic media.
Please, help me understand that. I was putting in my two-cents because it was information (apparently bad info) that I had been given, and my understanding of that information was not a misrepresentation of that bad data given to me. The fact that it is refuted is a positive thing, and leads to better understanding.
If this is not a place where we discuss things, is this just a soapbox? I came for discussion. I came to be sharpened as "iron upon iron".
I also came because I felt everyone here would be devoted to building up the Body of Christ into maturity. I need that help as much as anyone.
Was I wrong in coming to CrossWalk? I will indeed pay attention to the responses to this very question. A lack of response will inform me as well. I am not one who tries to assume things, but presumption based upon the evidences or lack thereof is the work of our God given brains.
You can email me directly at gcandj@gmail.com if you'd like. My name is Greg Anderson and I live in canyon lake texas. I'm not hiding my identity, and I'm not implying by writing such that anyone else is. This form of having to be on egg-shells around fellow disciples of Jesus Christ, of always having to post a disclaimer every-time I suddenly realize I could be possibly misunderstood is ridiculous.
Was I wrong in coming to CrossWalk for substantive, irenic discussion between believers?
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 6:35:12 PM
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I grew up in a Calvary Chapel church. I left a couple of years after I got married. My dad is now a Calvary Chapel pastor of a small church plant. Although my husband is an Assemblies of God minister, I think Calvary Chapel is one of the better churches out there. The church I grew up I felt was too end-times focused, but otherwise they are a good church.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 6:35:29 PM
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Corne
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gralan,
Short answer, some threads are discussion debate threads, some are fellowship threads. This is in the theo house category so it's largely for fellowship an a theme, tho some discussion seems to be encouraged by the opening post.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/4/2010 6:48:18 PM
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gralan
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gralan,
Short answer, some threads are discussion debate threads, some are fellowship threads. This is in the theo house category so it's largely for fellowship an a theme, tho some discussion seems to be encouraged by the opening post.
Thanks. I'm forewarned and forearmed then. I will revise my presuppositions. Thank you very much.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/8/2010 3:38:13 PM
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I am not certain about Calvary Chapel itself. Pastor Chuck was a former four square pentecostal who chunked it because of denominational party line politics... but the Calvary Chapel itself "may have been" SBC... it was down to 25 members and about to disband when Pastor Chuck took it over.
Went there and to Horizon Christian Fellowship (Mike McIntosh / Bob Bosworth) and to the Rock San Diego Church (Miles McPherson) for years. Also to Kehilat Ariel Messianic Jewish congregation San Diego (Rabbi Barney Kasdan)... I used to deliver his father and mother's mail too before one passed and the other was put in a nursing facility...
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/8/2010 9:33:20 PM
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I read this thread several days ago. Tonight I skimmed it and apologize if it already contains the answer to my question...
Would someone please explain to me what "Four Square Gospel" is and the history behind it?
Thank you!
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/8/2010 10:57:42 PM
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JohnD70X7
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google it then wiki
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/9/2010 5:49:01 PM
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SamsonUSA
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Here you go Monkey! (what happened to the avatar?)
http://www.foursquare.org/
It would not be a church that I personally would attend. They love the Lord but many of their church policies and doctrinal statements are just not my cup of tea.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/21/2010 1:54:52 AM
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SamsonUSA
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I was ready for a change. The new avatar honors your observant nature.
Thank you, curious Georgette!
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Similarly, I've noticed that everyone who preaches Limited Atonement are already saved.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 2/27/2010 10:51:16 PM
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Thank you, curious Georgette!
You're welcome, Samson. What's new at Calvary?
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 3/4/2010 11:17:13 PM
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Thank you for the opportunity to pray for those on the trip. :)
We've had people from our denomination's World Relief organization visiting our church each week. The groups are comprised of mostly senior citizens traveling our way in order to help with the lingering damage of a hurricane. They're a great example of serving no matter what your age.
The Monkey is doing well. Life's busy, but busy is a good thing. A little more balance between scurrying about and resting would be nice, though. I'm looking forward to my Spring Break.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 3/10/2010 8:11:29 AM
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DaveW
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Were you aware that Calvary Chapel started out as a Baptist Church? That is until the SBC decided they needed to step on Calvary and control it. Typical SBC, in terms of my experience inside of it. As has been pointed out, Calvary Chapel started off as a Foursquare Gospel church, a pentecostal denomination started by Amy Semple McPhereson. (sp?) So the charismatic element was never a problem. The problem came from Chuck Smith allowing 'hippies' to be part of his services and the "rock and roll" music they produced in their basement ( Maranatha records). When Calvary Chapel broke off of Foursquare, they took Maranatha's decending dove logo as their own.
Actually, at the beginning, Smith hated hippies and did not like rock music. Then this long haired blonde blue eyed guitar player started coming to his congregation. He did a lot of street evangelism and brouight in more of those hippies. That blonde guy was Larry Norman. Among his first converts were the members of the band Love Song (Chuch Girrard, Jay Truax, Tommy Coombs, et al) The Maranatha, Love Song and other record labels were all started at that congregation.
BTW, a young man who was a ministerial student and a voice student at a local university was there for a while and also started a string of congregations: the Vineyard fellowships. (still closely tied to Calvary Chapel) His name was Ken Gullickson, and had the song "Charity" on Maranatha 2. That song was popular enough that he did a solo album, which was not popular at all.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 3/17/2010 2:11:33 AM
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Corne
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I've never heard or seen anything on the connection or influence of Larry N. on Chuck Smith. That's a curiosity.
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RE: Calvary Chapel chat thread - 5/24/2010 9:05:56 AM
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As has been pointed out, Calvary Chapel started off as a Foursquare Gospel church, a pentecostal denomination started by Amy Semple McPhereson. (sp?) So the charismatic element was never a problem. The problem came from Chuck Smith allowing 'hippies' to be part of his services and the "rock and roll" music they produced in their basement ( Maranatha records). When Calvary Chapel broke off of Foursquare, they took Maranatha's decending dove logo as their own.
Not sure where you're getting your information, but you are wrong.
Having gone to and worked at a Calvary Chapel affiliate for 20+ YEARS (pastored by one of Chuck Smith's original pastors in Costa Mesa who was with him from the beginning), I know Calvary Chapel was never a Foursquare Gospel church. After becoming steadily disillusioned with Foursquare, Chuck Smith had severed his affiliation with them before accepting a pastorate with another non-denominational church. He then moved on 3 years later to pastor the 25 member Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.
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the Vineyard fellowships. (still closely tied to Calvary Chapel)
No. Calvary Chapel severed ties with Vineyard/John Wimber in 1982 over the doctrine (signs and wonders, etc.) Wimber was teaching.
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Went there and to Horizon Christian Fellowship (Mike McIntosh / Bob Bosworth) and to the Rock San Diego Church (Miles McPherson) for years.
It's Mike MacIntosh and Bob Botsford and, just in case you didn't know, the Rock Church San Diego is not a Calvary Chapel affiliate.
What can I say...I'm a stickler for detail. 
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